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Post by Spinler on Mar 6, 2007 2:13:38 GMT -5
You know...Yahoo allows for the use of up to 15 hitting and 15 pitching stat categories, so why don't i just go ahead and pick the 15 most random categories for each, and we can all have a free for all. Fun categories like Balks, or Save Opportunity (so those of you who draft shitty closers can feel better) or maybe Caught Stealing, or Wild Pitches. There's a plethora of stat choices that I could have made and they all would have been 0-0 at the end of the week. I like holds, and they are no less an official stat than OPS is. Its just another way for statistics gurus and moneyball-esqe people to classify the value of a certain player.
-Spin "sorry for making you guys think a little bit outside the box...i know your heads hurt...sorry"
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Post by guzz on Mar 6, 2007 2:59:01 GMT -5
Yes, lets use ALL of the categories! And for people that bitch "We can't do that, it would change my draft strategy" well they are full of shit... that's just what someone says when they aren't getting their way.
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Post by The Peck on Mar 6, 2007 3:02:53 GMT -5
If Baseball-Reference.com doesn't track the statistic, then it isn't a statistic that matters.
holds are BS stats made up by baseball agents so they could have something else to back up the value of the middle relievers they represent...if anything, it skews the value of middle relievers in our league since the good ones already collect more wins in more IPs than most closers
And while we're airing grievances about the league setup, i've got a few more off the skull:
1) If it's a head-to-head league, I think we should set a weekly lineup instead of tinkering with it every day. I know Yahoo allows for this, and it allows the better TEAM to win, rather than the team managed by the guy with more time on his hands to substitute players in and out every single day
2) I think we start too many pitchers, which only waters the field down and reduces the value of the great ones (no sweat off my back, since I didn't take Johan with the 2nd overall pick). If it had been my call (and it isn't), I'd have probably gone with 4 SPs and 2 RPs, tops (and holds wouldn't have been a category)
3) I'm not crazy about going with RF/CF/LF instead of OF/OF/OF...just don't see the point, personally.
4) I don't think we keep **NEARLY** enough players for a 25-player roster...I've spoken to you privately about this, but if we have to give up draft picks anyway, and we REALLY like our team, why can't we keep 8-10 of the players we draft this year? I'd propose revising the rule to "4 mandatory keepers (at least 1 pitcher and at least 1 hitter), but teams can keep up to 10 players by forfeiting the corresponding draft picks". It's like you're punishing the guys who have really good drafts by forcing them to give up some of their stellar picks (and please, PLEASE don't give me the "too many keepers waters down the draft pool" excuse).
Other than that, nice league. Keep up the good work.
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Post by Mister Grimey on Mar 6, 2007 3:22:30 GMT -5
Since I don't believe Spin's got this in him to say, I'll say it for him. Have a nice tall glass of SHUT THE F**K UP. It's on me. All around the bar. Seriously people, it's not that serious. Spin's running by most accounts, the best league out of most and all you peons can do is bitch. Moan about this stat category and the like because it's making most of you use brain cells you're not used to using while drafting [or breathing for that matter]. If it's really that big a pain in the ass for the lot of ya, do us all a favor and quit. And for folk who seem set on pointing out the stupidity of MY posts...how smart is it to wait until we're halfway through the 11th round to start bitching about what's wrong with the league. Nitpicking and what not because most of you peons don't have the backbone necessary to go through the trouble that Spin has to set this up for all of us to get our wannabe GM fix. Oh and Peckerwood, holds are actually acknowledged by most outlets [most newspapers do acknowledge this] and in terms of drafting, it means you've gotta find out something other than what closer's shutting out opponents by the truckload. Means you've gotta do your homework and what not, which shouldn't be a problem for the self-proclaimed "GM Of The Year" [all because he took Bob to the cleaners, utter equivalent of placing 1st in a Special Olympics, great job slappy]. Good league Spin, draft's running smoother than usual and eh...guess it wouldn't be a draft without folks bitching about the league setup TWO WEEKS AFTER THE DRAFT STARTS!!! [Waits for uninspired, redundant, drier than a prune retort of the 'L's stupid' variety from peanut gallery of morons...or hay from haystack. ]
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luke
Bench Warmer
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Post by luke on Mar 6, 2007 5:29:43 GMT -5
I think you should use lacrosse statistics.
-Luke J. -not helping
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Post by billster on Mar 6, 2007 5:57:20 GMT -5
Man what the fuck you idiots. I agreed with him. I said since the draft started we shouldn't change a thing. FOR THE RECORD, holds is a stupid statistic, but I'm just pointing it out FOR THE RECORD, i'm not leading a crusade to change it.
Damn Spinler, you're getting as sensitive about things as Lester. Trust me...NOT A GOOD IDEA.
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Post by guzz on Mar 6, 2007 15:41:24 GMT -5
Actually Peck there's about a half dozen pages that are better then baseball-reference.com that I frequent regularly [it comes with running a sim baseball league!] and they all keep track of holds.
Guzz -they do
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Post by The Peck on Mar 6, 2007 16:21:04 GMT -5
I feel much better having aired my grievances.
After thinking it over some more, changing the stats after the draft started would ultimately be unfair to members of the league, and therefore a change in eligable categories can't be considered. Also, we've already drafted with RF/CF/LF in mind, so that needs to stay as well.
HOWEVER, I do think there is a pressing issue that SHOULD be addressed right now.
I don't think our rosters are big enough. As it stands right now, we have 25 spots (side note: why we're ending a snake draft on an odd round is baffling, since it rewards those picking at the top of the 1st round with an extra high pick). By my count, we start 9 hitters and 8 pitchers (17), which would leave 8 total bench spots. Assuming that every team should be provided a backup at each position (keep in mind, you need a backup right fielder, left fielder, AND center fielder, since the OF spots are position-exclusive), plus at least one backup SP and closer, it would appear that we're 3 spots short of fielding a team of starters and backups. Adding an additional bench spot for a backup middle reliever (since they're as valuable as closers in this league), that brings us to 12 backups (all 9 hitting positions, plus a backup starter, middle reliever, and closer). 17 + 12 = 29. Since snake-drafts were designed to be an even-numbered of rounds, let's add an additional roster spot and make it 30.
In summation, I think we should add 5 more roster spots to each team and extend the draft to 30 rounds so that teams can draft at least one backup to each of their starters. We've all done our research, we've got sleepers, we're on pace to be finished with the draft well before opening day... I don't see why we shouldn't.
- Peck
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Post by Mister Grimey on Mar 6, 2007 18:22:49 GMT -5
Should I note that the time for all of these grievances and the like was oh...A MONTH AND CHANGE AGO WHEN SPIN BROKE ALL OF THIS DOWN?!
As you were.
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Post by guzz on Mar 6, 2007 18:31:19 GMT -5
I agree with Peck on the extended rosters mainly because we need to get OFer back ups for each position, something I don't think was taken into consideration [or just ignored!].
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Post by Brad on Mar 6, 2007 19:17:00 GMT -5
....so am I the only one that loses interest in drafting after the 20th round?
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Post by The Peck on Mar 6, 2007 19:47:23 GMT -5
Should I note that the time for all of these grievances and the like was oh...A MONTH AND CHANGE AGO WHEN SPIN BROKE ALL OF THIS DOWN?! As you were. You'd bother me a lot more if you ever contributed to a discussion. And I mean *EVER*. You bring absolutely nothing to the table when it's time to talk about just about anything. I can't imagine what being your friend in real life is like. As you were.
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Post by felder on Mar 6, 2007 19:58:22 GMT -5
Dont think we should extend the rosters. Who the hell are we going to draft in the 30th Round. There is really noone left already who can really make an impact for a team. I would rather keep it then be stuck drafting shin shoo choo(real player) in the 30th round. Dont think he will make or break my team
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Post by The Peck on Mar 6, 2007 20:28:53 GMT -5
Dont think we should extend the rosters. Who the hell are we going to draft in the 30th Round. There is really noone left already who can really make an impact for a team. I would rather keep it then be stuck drafting shin shoo choo(real player) in the 30th round. Dont think he will make or break my team Well I DID just finish a 14-team, 24 round draft (roughly the same number of players selected) and names like Kerry Wood, Gil Meche, and Greg Maddux were taken in the final round. I mean. we're almost at the point where everybody's digging for sleepers as it stands now, but I think fielding a roster where you can back up every single position for which you start a player is more important than holding everybody's "interest"
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Post by felder on Mar 6, 2007 20:39:41 GMT -5
Kind of see your point but the players you just mentioned are really not that good. Gil Meche is ok 55-44 career but has a 4.65 ERA. Plus you have to take into consideration that he is pitching for the Royals. Brutal division and a crappy team. He is not a number 1 and he will be pitching against number 1's all year. Kerry Wood is not just a reliever and it still remains to be seen if he can stay healthy. Greg Maddux.....if we were going off his stats from when he was on the braves that would be all good. He was 15-14 last year with a 4.20 ERA and a 3/1 strikeout to walk ratio. Not really lights out. These guys will not help your team. Having all those position players back up every position is a waste. I would honestly would want my stud to have a day off as opposed to some loser going 0-4 with 3K...also these guys are all pitchers.....what batters were taken in the 24th. Those drafts tend to focus on relievers
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Post by The Peck on Mar 6, 2007 20:44:44 GMT -5
Marcus Thames, Sean Casey, Matt Murton, Emil Brown (hitters taken in round 24)
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Post by felder on Mar 6, 2007 20:47:33 GMT -5
Who...not that good...who...and who
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Post by Spinler on Mar 6, 2007 21:06:09 GMT -5
I love you guys!!! You make my days so joyful!!! To reiterate what Len said earlier... WHERE WERE ALL THESE COMPLAINTS IN THE TIME BETWEEN THE LEAGUE SETUP (JANUARY 30TH) AND THE START OF THE DRAFT (FEBRUARY 25TH) They were nowhere, which is exactly where I am looking to go with any changes...NOWHERE!!! If for some reason you can't look at the available players and say to yourself... "Self...I only have 8 BN spots and I want to cover my bases...Should I take the guy that plays 3B or should I take the guy that is slightly worse, but plays 1B/2B/3B/SS/LF/CF/C/Water Boy/GM/Mascot??? Maybe I should take the guy with more eligibilty and cover all those positions!" By taking just two people at some point in your 25 man roster that qualify for more than one position, you should have plenty of space to cover all your needed positions. And anybody that comes back at me with..."but I want to have guys on my bench to backup my MR guys..." why the hell do you need bench relief pitchers??? If they aren't good enough to play everyday for you, they probably aren't good enough to be on your team. Use those spots to have your 3rd catcher or your 5th RF...I don't care! -Spin "if you could do it better, you would be doing it yourself"
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Post by Russ on Mar 6, 2007 21:15:35 GMT -5
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Post by Brad on Mar 6, 2007 21:18:04 GMT -5
"Self.. I'm too stupid to be in this league. Do we have a B league this year?"
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