Keeper league Rules Thread

[Russ]

Ok so we have a couple of rules to discuss. First is the 3 year keeper rule and the second is QB TD points. Please choose one option you'd like for each rule. I don't want to post a bunch of poles so I put it all in one hoping you idiots can follow directions.

For the keeper rule, chime in with any other ideas if you have them.

I've also added a position question, should we have 3WR or 2WR and a flex (RB/WR). PPR has also been added.

Obviously do not vote for option 4, 8, or 11 or I will smother you with a pillow.

If anyone has any other ideas/thoughts/suggestions, speak up.

[aJ]

Russ... just to clarify... THIS league's rules were:

3 Years Max -- Cannot Trade in Year 3
4pt TD
3 WR no Flex
No PPR

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I haven't checked the old league... I'm just drawing from memory which COULD be mixing up the money league's rules.

Basically... I'm for keeping our prior rules. I've never been a fan of changing the rules of a keeper league at any point (unless the rules were fucked up to begin with).

Anywho.. lemme kno.

[Russ]

Yeah last year was that, except for the trade rule which we hadn't discussed since this is the first year we're getting to players who are in their 3rd year.

And it was .5 PPR.

[lester]

I appreciate the way Russ phrases things like this. Much like myself, I do not cater to idiots (unless I am paid to do so, I'm sure Russ would agree) and while Spin's multiple polls are more reflective of the true feelings of the league, this method works fine by me.

Welcome to the league, Alan!

I would really like to know the reasoning people are using for supporting three year keepers. I'd put money on the fact that 90% of you couldn't create an argument that did not infer/relate/hypothesize/simulate to me keeping Peyton Manning. I'm fairly positive there will be a few owners who cannot discuss the situation will say things like, "Oh, well I just don't want someone keeping a player for that long!" I'm not saying you have to support my stance, but for fuck's sake, at least discuss it before sticking your head in the sand.

FYI: I'm 90% sure that I will not be keeping him this season, so for that guy who will do the Jersey Shore fist pump when they draft him and yell, "YEAH! TAKE THAT ZOOK!", go ahead and give yourself a hug. Odds are you'll finish behind me in the league anyways.

Here's the logic I'm using for not supporting the three year keeper. First, it goes against the definition of a keeper league. Right now it's a "lease" or a "rental" league. Second, I can hypothesize on how some of you draft, but by keeping certain players, it does make things more challenging in drafting a team. Keeping competition at a premium in the league should be a goal for everyone. This is why I try to replace owners in the baseball and football leagues. Lastly, we should consider if this rule would encourage tanking. Depending on the player it could be worth not retaining him, using a high draft pick to retain, and then create a stronger foundation. Rules like this, in my opinion, do nothing for the league.

I don't think this rule would even be considered if this was a cash keeper league as we would be, essentially, buying our players. I'm sure this is something that Guzz will consider. From there, someone tanking in a cash league is not only stupid, but probably going to get booted from the league.

[guzz]

I'll tell you how I voted and why!

Keeper: 3 Year Max, No Trading After Week 7 -- The main reason for the no trade clause is to prevent collusion between owners who are both about to lose their 3 year star. The reason I like the 3 year rule is to shake things up. For me personally, my first year keepers suck and now I'm kinda always stuck keeping guys I don't even want. I mean Ray Rice had a good year thankfully but my second option this year and both my keepers in the previous seasons I had no desire to keep but HAD to keep someone. So, for me personally, this rule fits my situation the best plus overall I like it. Now, had I landed AP in his rookie season or something similar who knows, I'd probably vote the other way. But that's not the situation for me at least.

QB - 4 Pts, -1 Int: In every league I'm in outside of the Commons one, it's only 4 pts for QB throwing touchdowns and 6 if they run it in. To me, this is the new standard in fantasy football and has been for a long time. Lester and I have discussed this in depth and I know he likes the big QB stats... I personally don't like when one player can determine the outcome of an entire week and more times then not it's a blowup game by the QB that does it. Furthermore, I actually hate negative points in fantasy leagues. -1 is the closest to 0 so this also fits my personal taste. If I had it my way, it'd be +4 Passing TD, +6 QB Rushing TD, 0 for Interceptions. I don't like the idea of people losing pts for HAVING to start someone.

Keep 3WR: I like having 3 WR's, if anything I'd say make the 3 WR option a WR/TE flex, not a WR/RB flex. Not many teams are gonna have two TE's worthy of playing so it generally becomes a third WR 95% of the time but I've had situations personally where I got my hands on two solid TEs (drafting one, picking another one up on the wire).

PPR. I must be an idiot. I have no fucking clue what this is and am having a brain fart on it so I haven't voted on it yet.

[Russ]

PPR is Points Per Reception

[john]

I voted on 3 yrs no trade after 7 because of 2 reasons.

1 - this is a keeper league not a dynasty league. If we were to open up the bench spots and have room to sit on a player as he matures, then yeah I'd be all for having no max on how long we keep someone. That's not the way things are going right now though, so I'd rather have the option to trade someone to see if I can get some value out of him. Thing is, I don't think I'm keeping anyone that I've had for a long period of time, so it doesn't really matter either way.

2 - I completely read the last one wrong ad didn't notice that there was no max.

[lester]

I see what you guys (John and Guzz) are saying and I can live with that...I was just curious how some people were viewing this.

Come on Guzz, you gotta admit...the 6/-2 is good for QBs!

[aJ]

6/-2 is only good if you love 20 of the top 25 fantasy point getters as QBs....... it's ridiculous!

[aJ]

You guys must be joking that voted PPR and 6/-2.

*sigh*

[john]

Actually, I'm not sure if Russ is going to pass them if we don't have more than 7 votes in favor of the change. Would need to see what Russ thinks about that though.

[Russ]

Going with the majority opinion for each option.