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Post by guzz on Jun 30, 2009 21:10:16 GMT -5
I was going to start a new forum but a new topic will have to do temporarily since I don't have access to create a new forum within the forum. Now then.... lets start talking money ball! Few things to go over. Drat Orderrrrr Current List  1. Guzz mattguzzetta@hotmail.com - paid 2. Russ rodassi@comcast.net - paid 3. Lester SigEpZook@hotmail.com - paid 4. Grady gradyfox71@gwi.net - paid 5. Nick nick_b_1979@yahoo.com - paid 6. Brennan - paid 7. AJ - ursman@mac.com - paid 8. Spin - spindoctor02@gmail.com - paid 9. Rice - crice1007@hotmail.com - paid 10. Tom - army_soldier_25D@yahoo.com - paid 11. Brad - paid 12. Nate - paid Where do we want to cap it team wise. 8, 10, 12 (I'd prefer not to go over 12). If it is 12 do we want two leagues of 6 or one big league top 6 move on? When should draft date be? Lester has expressed interest in having this draft before the fun league one. The only thing that concerns me is we'd have a full draft done WAY before the season starts. With most of my money leagues my friends and I usually do the draft the weekend before the NFL starts just because of previous season ending injuries that have occurred in pre-season in the past. Roster: Personally I like to keep small benches to make people more active with adds/drops but I'll leave this up to the team. I've been in leagues with zero bench before that were a ton of fun (and hard to make decisions whether to drop injured players) but I'm open for whatever. We can also discuss systems like 1 or 2 QB's, a flex position, etc. I do propose if we use a flex we find a league that allows RB/WR/TE since most don't allow a second TE. Not that most would want one, but you never know. Scoring: Do we want it more TD heavy, balanced, yards heavy, bonuses (I'm not usually a fan of big game bonuses). 3, 4, or 6 pts for passing TDs, etc. Payouts: Say we end with 10 people and $200. I'd propose something like $100 to 1st place, $60 to 2nd, $20 to third, and $20 to regular season winner (basically if you finish 1st in the regular season or third you just get your money back). Up for discussion though. Another option instead of a third place prize or regular season winner prize was a "high score of the season" prize. Side betting: If anyone has any interest in side bets let me know and we'll work something out. Entree Fee. Is everyone content with $20 or is there interest for more/less. I know some are already worried about scrounging up 20 so if that's the case we can leave it as is this time around. Also.. yahoo, espn, cbssportsline, or another site (which you'd have to recommend)? This should be enough things to begin discussing for now. Guzz |
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Post by Russ on Jun 30, 2009 22:26:02 GMT -5
Where do we want to cap it team wise. 8, 10, 12 (I'd prefer not to go over 12). Definitely either 10 or 12 teams. 8 is too few, 14 is too many in my experience. Of course, if we only get 8, then so be it. One league top 6 is fine by me. If its 10 or 8, gotta be top 4. This isn't the NBA. Yeah I think a little before the season starts is best. We have to start early in the kiddie league because the draft takes so fucking long. We don't have to worry about that with a live draft. I'd like to do it sometime during preseason, maybe 2nd week or so. I personally hate the idea of zero bench spots because there's so many times where a guy will be a gametime decision and you have to be ready to plug somebody in at the last minute. There's no good reason to "force" an owner to drop a valuable player or take a zero just because of this which is totally out of his control. As far as positions go, I'm fine with adding a flex position, and if anyone wants to start 2 TE's, by all means do so! Balanced. I think only 1-2-3 finishers should get money. I'd toss that extra 20 to the champion. Also you could do a lottery-style thing for the teams that don't make the playoffs in that the 6 (or however many) play it out in the playoffs to determine who gets the #1 draft pick for next season. Lester will draft Peyton Manning or try to trade for Manning during the draft. Book it. $20 is good for me. |
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Post by guzz on Jul 1, 2009 1:04:26 GMT -5
I think it'll be tough to find more than 8 guys within this small community here. Maybe dust off the old AIM and see who you can dig up Otherwise if any GLBers that you think might want in.. I'd be fine with that. |
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Post by lester on Jul 1, 2009 3:51:45 GMT -5
Where do we want to cap it team wise. 8, 10, 12 (I'd prefer not to go over 12).
---I'd shoot for 10 or 12, 8 is too few.
If it is 12 do we want two leagues of 6 or one big league top 6 move on?
---Sounds good to me.
When should draft date be? Lester has expressed interest in having this draft before the fun league one. The only thing that concerns me is we'd have a full draft done WAY before the season starts. With most of my money leagues my friends and I usually do the draft the weekend before the NFL starts just because of previous season ending injuries that have occurred in pre-season in the past.
---Whenever is good for me, sooner to the start of the season the better.
Roster: Personally I like to keep small benches to make people more active with adds/drops but I'll leave this up to the team. I've been in leagues with zero bench before that were a ton of fun (and hard to make decisions whether to drop injured players) but I'm open for whatever. We can also discuss systems like 1 or 2 QB's, a flex position, etc. I do propose if we use a flex we find a league that allows RB/WR/TE since most don't allow a second TE. Not that most would want one, but you never know.
---One thing I do in my leagues is open things up for a rookie pick. This depends on the scoring but it makes the draft interesting. I'm all for a flex pick AS LONG as it's WR and TE. If we're running with a balanced scoring then the abuse of RBs will begin and that's just not any fun.
Scoring: Do we want it more TD heavy, balanced, yards heavy, bonuses (I'm not usually a fan of big game bonuses). 3, 4, or 6 pts for passing TDs, etc.
---I'm all for balanced, a TD is a TD is a TD. I'm still against a QB's TDs being 4 points, if they were 5 I'd be for that.
Payouts: Say we end with 10 people and $200. I'd propose something like $100 to 1st place, $60 to 2nd, $20 to third, and $20 to regular season winner (basically if you finish 1st in the regular season or third you just get your money back). Up for discussion though. Another option instead of a third place prize or regular season winner prize was a "high score of the season" prize.
---I like Russ's idea.
Side betting: If anyone has any interest in side bets let me know and we'll work something out.
---Russ knows me too well.
Entree Fee. Is everyone content with $20 or is there interest for more/less. I know some are already worried about scrounging up 20 so if that's the case we can leave it as is this time around.
---20 is fine for me, if we go more then we risk not finding anyone we'd like to have in the league.
Also.. yahoo, espn, cbssportsline, or another site (which you'd have to recommend)?
---Yahoo has never done me wrong before.
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Post by nick on Jul 1, 2009 8:13:10 GMT -5
Roster: I like how most regular benches are I believe they have 5 slots. That what if you have someone on bye you don't drop a decent player to fill a void. I would go with QB, RB, RB, WR, WR, WR, TE, RB/WR/TE, DEF/ST and Kicker
Scoring: I say normal scoring. Whoever heard of 4pts for a qb passing TD. Just a witch hunt for zook. I like the idea of 40 yd FG 4 50 yd FG 5 tho.
Payouts: No matter how we payout. I would imagine we are going to be using paypal. Paypal would take a small percentage I believe maybe $5 or so. May want to check on that before you determine payouts.
Side betting: If anyone has any interest in side bets let me know and we'll work something out.
Entree Fee. $20. is good not to much, but not to small
Instead of having everyone show up to the draft. (which im not sure 12 people could agree on a time) Could we do it via message board. Put a time limit on it. I think we could be done in under a week.
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Post by Russ on Jul 1, 2009 14:37:39 GMT -5
Instead of having everyone show up to the draft. (which im not sure 12 people could agree on a time) Could we do it via message board. Put a time limit on it. I think we could be done in under a week.lol you must be new here |
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Post by guzz on Jul 1, 2009 15:18:49 GMT -5
For anyone that has been doing fantasy football for a long time (and I'm not talking about 5-6 seasons) the 4 PT passing TD is the "Dan Marino Rule". Basically there were a couple years early in his career where throwing for 40+ TDs was doable for him and whoever had him on their team was gift wrapped the trophy (unfortunately the same couldn't be said for the Fins ). Hence it started to become common to have passing TD's worth only 4 pts. It died down for a bit until Manning/Culpepper blew up that one year and then we had Brady's freakish season 2 years ago. The reason is the disparity between other players from the same position. While the average QB usually throws about 18-20 TD's a season if the leader is throwing 48 it becomes a one player dominant league and that's really no fun for anyone. In comparison you take some of the better RB seasons in our time.. LT in 06', Holmes in 02', Faulk in 01' and 00' and while they were on record setting paces they didn't lead the average NFL RB by 20 plus TD's... probably closer to just over a dozen and the same could be said for WR's. |
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Post by guzz on Jul 1, 2009 15:21:57 GMT -5
We could also discuss making it so you can't draft a 2nd QB, 2nd TE 3rd RB, or 4th WR until you've filled your starting line-up (with the exception of Kicker and Team D) so that would mean people couldn't hoard over one position until the 8th Rd. Just putting out ALL the ideas now so by the time we draft there's nothing to bitch about  |
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Post by guzz on Jul 1, 2009 15:22:56 GMT -5
Also.. Im not on AIM really at all so if anyone sees like Rice, Rob, etc we can invite them as well.
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Post by lester on Jul 2, 2009 13:35:35 GMT -5
For anyone that has been doing fantasy football for a long time (and I'm not talking about 5-6 seasons) the 4 PT passing TD is the "Dan Marino Rule". Basically there were a couple years early in his career where throwing for 40+ TDs was doable for him and whoever had him on their team was gift wrapped the trophy (unfortunately the same couldn't be said for the Fins ). Hence it started to become common to have passing TD's worth only 4 pts. It died down for a bit until Manning/Culpepper blew up that one year and then we had Brady's freakish season 2 years ago. The reason is the disparity between other players from the same position. While the average QB usually throws about 18-20 TD's a season if the leader is throwing 48 it becomes a one player dominant league and that's really no fun for anyone. In comparison you take some of the better RB seasons in our time.. LT in 06', Holmes in 02', Faulk in 01' and 00' and while they were on record setting paces they didn't lead the average NFL RB by 20 plus TD's... probably closer to just over a dozen and the same could be said for WR's. Guzz speaks the truth. I'm not sure it would balance out if we went with 2 QB and 2 RB, but if we went with QB passing TDs were 5 points I think I would be cool with that. The thing that irks me about reducing the points for a QB TD is that it makes the league RB driven and whatever team has the best tandem RBs wins. From my experience, unless a QB has a freakish year then a stud RB and a decent RB hang with a stud QB and a decent RB. More factors are involved (as if you draft a QB first your draft logic will normally be different compared to if you draft a RB first) but that's the jist of my argument. I'd have a hard time playing for cash if the QB was at 4 points per TD. Not saying it to start shit, but I don't like the rule. To me, it forces teams to all draft the same. |
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Post by Spinler on Jul 2, 2009 13:50:37 GMT -5
Where do we want to cap it team wise. 8, 10, 12 (I'd prefer not to go over 12).I think 12 is the best, as it spreads out the player pool a little bit more, but 10 works if that's all we can find. If it is 12 do we want two leagues of 6 or one big league top 6 move on? I know we tried one league a couple years back on NFL.com or CBS.sportsline that allowed for separate divisions, so if we wanted that, those would be good places to look. I like the division idea, but we'd have to find a way to make it as balanced as possible. When should draft date be?I think closer to the start of the regular season is best, as it allows to have a better idea of what opening day rosters will look like. Roster:I'm actually a fan of a bigger roster than a smaller one. I'd have no problem going with something like QB-QB-RB-RB-RB-WR-WR-WR-WR-TE-FLEX-ROOKIE(?)-D/ST-K, but am fine with the standard allocation like we run the normal league. Scoring: Do we want it more TD heavy, balanced, yards heavy, bonuses (I'm not usually a fan of big game bonuses). 3, 4, or 6 pts for passing TDs, etc.I think that since the NFL counts a TD as 6 points no matter who scores it, we should do the same thing. However, to combat the big TD numbers for a couple of the league's QBs, we could add a 2nd QB slot to try to balance it out. For every Drew Brees you take early, you are left with Tavaris Jackson late. Payouts: You guys run money leagues more frequently than I do, so I'll defer to you on the payouts. All I ask is you tell me who to send the money to at the end of the season  Side betting:Won't be taking place, but feel free to do them yourself. Entry Fee:I can probably find $20 somewhere to play, but wouldn't be able to go any higher than that. Can't afford much on a grad school stipend with a new child at home. Also.. yahoo, espn, cbssportsline, or another site (which you'd have to recommend)?Yahoo seems to be the easiest for everybody, but I wouldn't mind going somewhere else if it enhances the things we can do with the league.
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Post by lester on Jul 2, 2009 14:17:56 GMT -5
Yahoo is now offering free live scoring, can't go wrong with that!
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Post by gradyfox on Jul 3, 2009 15:12:13 GMT -5
Where do we want to cap it team wise. I would say a max of 12, if we need more players I could get at least one more who will be a good owner. If it is 12 do we want two leagues of 6 or one big league top 6 move on? I like the top six. When should draft date be? Week of final cuts, first game is on a Thursday, I think last preseason is a Saturday, how about the Sunday following the last preseason game? Roster: I would say a max of three bench players with byes now, its almost like giving up a game if your QB or stud RB is out that week. But also want to keep the FA pool active. Scoring: Balanced, but TDs should be 6, FGs could be on a range level? Payouts: I like the payout idea, top three. Side betting: I lose enough money during fb season, you suckas ain't getting anymore of it! Entree Fee. I think $20 is perfect. |
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Post by john on Jul 4, 2009 11:32:14 GMT -5
Where do we want to cap it team wise. 8, 10, 12 (I'd prefer not to go over 12).
I like the idea of capping it at 12 if we can get that many.
If it is 12 do we want two leagues of 6 or one big league top 6 move on?
I like the two division idea, may be a bit more competitive.
When should draft date be?
1 or 2 weeks before start of season
Roster:
normal roster with maybe the flex being rookie based.
Scoring:
6 for a TD is fine with me. also, maybe have 40 = 1 for QB's, 15 = 1 for RB, WR, TE. Also, what if we go .25 = 1 for WR/TE, and .5 = 1 for RB's
Payouts: depends on if we go with two divisions or not. kind of hard to figure top 3 like that, unless we go solely by points.
Side betting:
up to the individual
Entry Fee:
20 sounds good
Also.. yahoo, espn, cbssportsline, or another site (which you'd have to recommend)?
Yahoo is what we usually use, but cbssportsline and I think nfl.com have divisional setups.
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Post by Spinler on Jul 4, 2009 13:26:25 GMT -5
I just checked and ESPN.com has a pretty good setup for what we are looking for. You can customize any and all the settings you want, set up divisions if desired, has live scoring, and is easy to use. I know that if we go to a site other than Yahoo, I'd be more likely to check up frequently on espn, as I always do a couple of public leagues there. |
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Post by guzz on Jul 4, 2009 16:36:36 GMT -5
My only issue with ESPN was their "free live scoring" last season always seemed SO far behind. Not sure if it was just me or what. They definitely do have better options if I recall correctly.
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Post by Spinler on Jul 4, 2009 20:32:21 GMT -5
Their live scoring last season was pretty much in sync with their gametracker, which is always about 5-10 seconds slower than live on TV. I think you can probably handle having your fantasy score updated 10 seconds after it happens... |
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Post by guzz on Jul 5, 2009 18:06:38 GMT -5
I need instant gratification!
Side Note: Rice is on board, that gives us 9.
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Post by gradyfox on Jul 7, 2009 8:26:30 GMT -5
I have two more that makes 11, need to know how to invite them to the board?
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Post by guzz on Jul 7, 2009 23:32:15 GMT -5
Ummmm... just send them the link |
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